tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15289822.post7772250526541433318..comments2023-09-29T12:46:24.195+02:00Comments on Göran Koch-Swahne: On BedfellowsGöran Koch-Swahnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00925549945659350649noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15289822.post-8070942288834807652009-04-05T22:13:00.000+02:002009-04-05T22:13:00.000+02:00Ha!Ha!Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15289822.post-52111524787534515892009-04-05T19:47:00.000+02:002009-04-05T19:47:00.000+02:00I think the 10th century would be the more probabl...I think the 10th century would be the more probable, because the other sexualizations - and the penitentials as a genre - come then.<BR/><BR/>À propos of the Patrologia, I once had a quote from Johannes Chrysostomos (Homilia IV in Romans, I believe) labelled Patrologia graecae in Boswell, wich turned out to be a misprint... There is no Greek original, so it w a s the Patrologia latina ;=) <BR/><BR/>How I found out (the series, some 300 strong, is put away in the vaults of the Royal Library instead of in the large groundfloor reading room where the other "reference" works are), but I put Patrologia latina on the form the next time - and got the right one!Göran Koch-Swahnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00925549945659350649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15289822.post-10604254895035853512009-04-05T16:55:00.000+02:002009-04-05T16:55:00.000+02:00Goran ... a nice tidbit hidden away in a footnote ...Goran ... a nice tidbit hidden away in a footnote in Boswell. (Footnote 26 on p. 364)<BR/><BR/>Joannes Jejunator (Patriarch of Constantinople who lived in the sixth century A.D.) used "arsenkoites" in a treatise on how confessor priests should ask penitents about sexual sin. If we translate "arsenkoites" as "homosexuality", then his treatise contains the following sentence:<BR/><BR/>"In fact, many men even commit the sin of homosexuality with their wives."<BR/><BR/>Moreover, that particular sentence occurs at the end of a paragraph discussing men who have incestuous sexual relations with female relatives, so it doesn't even appear in connection with a discussion of homosexual activity of any kind. The Patriarch is clearly discussing the sins common among heterosexuals.<BR/><BR/>***** "This penitential, one of the earliest in Greek, has traditionally been ascribed to John the Faster ("Jejunator"), patriarch of Constantinople from A.D. 582 to 593, whose name appears on several manuscripts of the work. Although this attribution is vigorously contested (not without reason), no resolution of the issue has been pssible, and scholarly opinion on the subject ranges from acceptance of John's authorship to a beief in composition as late as the tenth century. A complex summary of the various points of view may be found in Emilio Herman, "Il piu antico penitenziale greco," Orientalia Christiana periodica 19 (1953): 71-127. For the text as cited, see Patrologiae cursus completus, Series Graeca, 88:1893-96. There is no English translation, and the Latin provided in the PG edition is particularly loose and misleading.Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15289822.post-15246561548725206342009-03-09T07:21:00.000+01:002009-03-09T07:21:00.000+01:00Thanks, back to you!Thanks, back to you!Göran Koch-Swahnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00925549945659350649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15289822.post-53193349568520762292009-03-09T06:02:00.000+01:002009-03-09T06:02:00.000+01:00Göran, just when I finally got the last one figure...Göran, just when I finally got the last one figured out now I have to go to work on this one.<BR/> <BR/>All kidding aside, your work for me is both a trememdous help in understanding hte scriptures and a pleasure to reflect on with my God. Thanks!Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15289822.post-21100957876918529022009-03-09T01:22:00.000+01:002009-03-09T01:22:00.000+01:00Wonderful, wonderful post Goran. Thank you!Wonderful, wonderful post Goran. Thank you!Canyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14737285360280766111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15289822.post-82186334305832324972009-03-08T23:52:00.000+01:002009-03-08T23:52:00.000+01:00My pleasure!My pleasure!Göran Koch-Swahnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00925549945659350649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15289822.post-13087830557208831212009-03-08T22:57:00.000+01:002009-03-08T22:57:00.000+01:00Göran! An entire post devoted to answering my que...Göran! An entire post devoted to answering my question! I'm honored. <BR/><BR/>Thank you. Your answer is quite helpful.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.com